“Wait, Is This a night out together?” Podcast Episode 102: The Chart | Autostraddle

“Wait, Is This a night out together?” Podcast Episode 102: The Chart | Autostraddle

Recently on “hold off, Is it a night out together?” we’re joined by Autostraddle CEO and

L Keyword

expert
Riese Bernard
to discuss: The Chart. That’s right! This event is focused on lesbian interconnectivity — hooking up with pals’ exes, pals starting up with these exes, additionally the culture developed by all those things crisis.

Appear for all the gossip, remain for your psychological processing. And before that enjoy a casino game that exams Christina’s borders: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally will never.)

Thank you so much for the good comments after our very own premiere! For those who haven’t yet give consideration to giving us a rating or examine!


PROGRAM RECORDS

+ 5 years ago Riese built an
Old Hollywood information
that is the intersection of all of the my personal interests.

+ Here’s
the essay
We reference where I mention connecting using my roommates.

+ My crush on the week Mj Rodriguez circulated a music movie on her tune
“something you should state”
!

+ As someone who has merely seen a small number of attacks of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush from the week C.C. Babcock had been stunning in my opinion whenever it ended up she and Niles aren’t both homosexual. (Christina tells me they generally still tend to be.)



Drew:

I would end up being very okay along with it existing. I would never add some other person without their unique permission. However the idea of each time some body was actually like, “make sure you may be connected with myself,” I would end up like, “Yeah, this is the existence I resided. I do not mind.” Usually odd? Is an issue?


Christina:

No, because if I happened to ben’t, I would personally feel poor not. I might resemble, “hold off, I am not lying?”


Theme track plays


Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.


Christina:

Hi, I’m Christina.


Drew:

And thanks for visiting

Wait, Is It A Night Out Together?


Christina:


Wait, Is It A Romantic Date?

is an Autostraddle podcast asking the top questions. First of all, is-it a romantic date? Preciselywhat are dates? Who’re times? Can we like times? These represent the sort of questions that individuals address about here incredibly pro and lovely podcast.


Drew:

I’m called Drew Gregory. I am an author at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, famously, a trans lesbian.


Christina:

I’m Christina Tucker. I am also an author at Autostraddle. I’m a loud queer on the web. I am recovering at describing myself as an author and, famously, a lesbian. That is united states. That’s who we’re.


Drew:

Yeah. And so the major topic this week will be the Chart.


Christina:

I simply believed it required a sting. I am not sure. That believed actually dramatic, but In my opinion it required it.


Drew:

Yes. No, please, kindly, please. Thanks, thank you. No, no, no. The perfect level of drama.


Christina:

Thanks a lot.


Drew:

Yeah. So we’re speaking about lesbian interconnectivity.


Christina:

I adore that term since it seems like you ought to restart the lesbians. It sounds just like the internet access isn’t functioning.


Drew:

Yes. it is extremely advanced, extremely advanced, but in addition has been around since there’s been lesbians, i do believe.


Christina:

Yeah. I do believe students would state whenever they found one lesbian fossils, they found a data alongside of them carved in to the sand. And that I think’s just what that movie is about, right? It’s about the chart? That movie with Kate Winslet and mud fossils?


Drew:


Ammonite?


Christina:

Yeah, that is what it is more about.


Drew:

If only

Ammonite

was about cavern ladies. I would watch that lesbian flick.


Christina:

Really, when I have not observed it, i’ll fearlessly declare that it was. Cool.


Drew:

Yeah. Since it is like there is countless lesbian duration pieces, but we have never ever eliminated back that far. And I think it’s time we carry out.


Christina:

Let us simply hold using it furthermore back in time.


Drew:

Before we become to our major topic, you’re nevertheless getting to know us. And I also believed it will be fun to experience a game the place you guys could truly get acquainted with Christina. Very the icebreaker because of this few days is just a little online game that I name “Would U-Haul.”


Christina:

Im, once more, so pressured about that. This may you should be how i-come inside online game. This might be my personal online game mentality, a tiny bit high key, just a little stressed. That is fine. We are all learning.


Drew:

I think that is fantastic. In my opinion that may make you more vulnerable, maybe.


Christina:

Certainly one of my favorite feelings.


Drew:

Just a horror, only a serious horror. And so the manner in which “Would U-Haul” really works is i’ll explain a situation. Why don’t we call-it Christina enthusiast fiction. And that I’m going to pause after every small section to-be love, “Okay, Christina, I know you have never ever stayed with a partner, don’t want to accept someone. But under these circumstances, would U-Haul?”


Christina:

And that I will sometimes say yes or we’ll say, “I’m prepared.”


Drew:

If you don’t — well, we’ll see right here. But i am thrilled. I think I’ve maybe damaged the rule.


Christina:

You have cracked the rule? I am excited.


Drew:

Let us observe how long this requires. Whenever you never would, i believe you victory? I don’t know exactly how you can find winners here.


Christina:

I am not sure that we now have champions inside the game of U-Hauling.


Drew:

Really, I’m not sure if you’ll accept that after that. Thus I’m getting heading.


Christina:

Reasonable sufficient.


Drew:

Okay. Very, Christina.


Christina:

Drew.


Drew:

You’re at the buddy’s wedding ceremony. In spite of the plethora of romcoms you taken in, you probably did perhaps not choose this marriage considering you would fulfill any individual because, really, this is not a romcom. This is actually the genuine and normal longevity of Christina Grace Tucker. You take your own designated chair as they are glancing at your phone when you recognize a woman at the dining table is wanting at you. She introduces herself since your buddy’s former baby-sitter. She actually is remained a pal with the family members, but she doesn’t truly know anyone there. She appears like mid-forties and contains a striking angular face. You set about talking. She offers to get you a glass or two. As soon as she stands up, you realize she actually is six foot high, 6′ 3″ in pumps. So you understand what? I’m only planning to stop there and start to become love, at this time, would U-Haul?


Christina:

I’m fascinated. I am fascinated because i would get put during that wedding. But up until now I am not U-Hauling anyplace.


Drew:

Cool. That is completely fair. Entirely fair. Okay. You spend the entire wedding ceremony getting to know the other person. There is merely an instantaneous spark and instant chemistry. And indeed, you will do attach while the sex is actually remarkable.


Christina:

Tight.


Drew:

And this marriage was a student in Northern Ca. Which means you both expand the stays for a few times to fuck and check out and eat at restaurants and discover everything gay meet and fuck has to offer to divide the cost of the now shared area, but she laughs you down and is also love, “certainly not, honey.” Therefore the then three days tend to be miracle. You’re feeling the wall space tumbling straight down. You are falling quicker than you ever have actually. Would U-Haul?


Christina:

So only for clearness’s sake, I’m having difficulty picturing a world in which we took three shock times off of try to go out with a person i really do perhaps not know. That looks bonkers. However, if used to do, beneficial to myself. But I’m simply not U-Hauling at this point. It will be a no.


Drew:

Great. Okay. That is fine. You simply met. I get it. I have it. Okay.


Christina:

Thank you so much much.


Drew:

So she comes back to ny while come back to Philadelphia.


Christina:

That is where We live.


Drew:

And you are texting on a regular basis. This is where you are living and it is in which this lady resides. And you’re texting on a regular basis and also you see one another many times four weeks. She actually is really hectic along with her work, but she actually is rapid to buy you a train violation so you’re able to come see their and stay at her gorgeous brownstone in Fort Greene. And then six months go. And something night when you are out to supper, she requires that relocate along with her. Would U-Haul?


Christina:

And proceed to Nyc? I do not really love ny. No, I am not transferring within half a year mark. I’m not doing that, no.


Drew:

Okay, okay. Totally, totally, entirely. Wow. Okay. So that you keep online dating long distance. She understands that needed some time she’s willing to expect you. Even more several months pass. Its now already been over annually. The landlord lets you know they are attempting to sell your place to a developer who’s investing in condos, so you are unable to restore it. You will need to discover another spot. Your own now girlfriend lets you know that no stress, but her present still appears. Would U-Haul?


Christina:

Okay. At this point, I would personally U-Haul for 2 reasons.


Drew:

Yay! Fine. Please tell us.


Christina:

Mainly, in a world by which my property manager sold the house to build up it, my landlord is currently my personal closest friend, making sure that seems like anything has gone incorrect within our relationship. And I must merely keep Philadelphia anyhow. If in case I get to maneuver in using my girl over right here, that seems okay. Which is fine. Completely okay. But yeah, i do believe I might need an external energy like a mean landlord.


Drew:

That’s very — fine. I did think you’d need to need housing to get indeed there, so I’m glad We realized that.


Christina:

Yeah. That’s exactly what has got to accidentally myself initially.


Drew:

Really, I’m grateful to know what it’s going to take. Very in theory, if you weren’t knocked out, just how much longer?


Christina:

Genuinely, which could went on for a long period. Philly and New York are not also that far from each other. I got room over right here. We are moving backwards and forwards. We are having memories. I could have try to let that roll for quite some time until i suppose Shoshana becomes the worst individual i am aware.


Drew:

I did not know that Shoshana had your own home. Well, there you choose to go.


Christina:

There we go. Wow, that has been thrilling.


Drew:

Well, thanks for playing.


Christina:

I’m pressured, getting clear.


Drew:

And I’m grateful that I know… possibly if you are actually, anytime anybody’s ever matchmaking both you and wishes you to move in, possibly your gf told Shoshana to market the house in the interests of your own relationship.


Christina:

Genuinely the quickest means — some one would only have to talk to Shoshana and become want, “only kick the girl out.” And she’d end up like, “Yeah, positive. Of course.” That will be how it took place, even in the event she don’t offer the house. Some one would just be like, “is it possible to merely stop their out therefore she’s going to just get over it and move in with me?” And she would state yes. A hundred percent she’d do that. That is what friendship is actually.


Drew:

I love that.


Christina:

Yeah, that’s really gorgeous.


Drew:

Well, i’m like we learned alot in regards to you.


Christina:

Cheers. I’m like I discovered much about myself, also. Danger of homelessness is really the point that keeps me personally transferring any situation, i suppose. Wow.


Drew:

Well, that is great.


Christina:

Which was truly fascinating. I’m equally thrilled to maneuver into our major sector because i do believe writing on lesbian connection because of this visitor, because of this unique guest, i believe it’s going to be incredible, Drew. Exactly how are you presently experiencing?


Drew:

I’m very thrilled. This can be a professional. By that, i am talking about an

L Keyword

specialist, but additionally some a professional inside subject at hand.


Christina:

I do believe a few things can be correct, my buddy. I do believe two things is generally genuine certainly. Will we need present the guest or will we wish our visitor to introduce themselves?


Drew:

I would personally love our very own visitor introducing herself.


Christina:

Guest.


Drew:

I shall point out that all of our visitor is the one and only Riese Bernard.


Christina:

Guest, speak.


Riese:

Hi, I’m Riese. Plus its unusual becoming the visitor!


Christina:

Yeah, really.


Riese:

I had to not say such a thing. I did not actually do so. I did say things. I’d to stay right here quietly.


Christina:

Therefore had been truly courageous. Plus faces were valued.


Riese:

Thank you so much a great deal.


Christina:

Though this really is demonstrably a sound method, i’d like all of our audience to find out that Riese ended up being creating some great effect faces during “Would U-Haul.”


Riese:

Absolutely different ways becoming heard. You-know-what after all? That is what I always state. Im the CEO of Autostraddle.com. And that I’m also on an undefeated kickball staff. And that’s me personally. I have a puppy called Carol. And that I have actually outdated people.


Christina:

Congrats on the kickball!


Riese:

Thanks a lot. I am associated with men and women.


Christina:

Great. Loving that. That’s fantastic to bring for this, this right here dating podcast. That’s really good.


Riese:

Yeah. I believe that… can there be other things?


Drew:

No, I think that’s fantastic, Riese.


Christina:

Anything you would you like to discuss.


Riese:

I enjoy raspberries, the good fresh fruit raspberries, and private pools.


Christina:

As opposed to…


Riese:

You Are Sure That an individual goes like…


Drew:

Its like as soon as you blow. Yeah.


Christina:

Oh. Those are disgusting, and so I simply just evacuated them from my mind.


Riese:

Yeah. That is certainly all.


Christina:

Great.


Drew:

Really, we right away thought of you with this topic.


Christina:

That’s true.


Drew:

Because first of all, clearly, queer females and non-binary folks in lesbian area are like, I am not sure, having sex with individuals just who their friends have acquired gender with since well before

The L Word

ended up being previously a series. But i actually do feel

The L Word

solidified a specific cultural concept of the chart with Alice Pieszecki. And so I decided you would have plenty of insight into this subject.


Riese:

It is real. Two of the writers, i wish to say, of

The L Term

had this genuine information of those as well as their friends these people were attracting on wall structure or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, i do believe, was one of these. She talked to you about any of it, they had built this. Because demonstrably, everyone because creator’s place had fucked people when you look at the copywriter — you realize, while the lengthy web of that generation of lesbians in L. A.. And so they saw can they certainly were like, “Why don’t we put it in show.” Many of these take the data. Like, one particular which … like, real folks are regarding chart as bull crap.


Christina:

Which is amazing. Which is the manner in which you know you’ve made it.


Riese:

Isn’t that precious?


Christina:

That might be exciting personally.


Riese:

And so if you haven’t observed

The L Keyword,

firstly, congrats. Second, it becomes the centerpiece of just one of our lead personality, Alice’s, apartment. She’s got it all over her wall surface. And in addition it will be the title of an internet site that they began known as ourchart.com that flopped. In addition to idea … and it’s really inside the pilot, In my opinion. Inside 1st event, Alice starts dealing with how everybody’s connected, because everyone’s installed because of this individual. And that I can link you, as if you’re most likely a maximum of two levels from the myself. Hence ended up being real. Like, despite Dana, who had limited knowledge because she was actually a closeted tennis member, they however were able to link the lady. And that’s real world because it’s genuine.


Christina:

That’s culture. Yeah. That’s what tradition looks like.


Riese:

That’s society. That is queer culture right there. Now every person helps make their very own maps.


Christina:

Yeah. To ensure that would be my personal then question, ended up being have actually either people made a chart? Because I really don’t imagine i’ve, and I am type of today considering like, that which was this this past year sitting inside my residence for easily didn’t generate a chart? Like, what was the point of that, really?


Riese:

I do believe i have completed it in my own diary, as like … Because I like, I don’t know, organizing information, i assume, as an idea workout.


Christina:

Yeah, i do believe that is also precisely why i will be amazed that We haven’t done it. I prefer the concept of categorizing circumstances.


Riese:

Right. Yeah. Because it’s fascinating. I don’t know why it’s very interesting, but it’s. Its fascinating to be love, wow, many of these individuals, they are linked. Its untamed.


Drew:

Throughout the tv series, as soon as ourchart.com is actually designed, they’ve got a genuine data that folks could add stuff. And I feel something you joked in regards to on

To L and Straight Back,

nowadays folks say constantly is much like, when this existed in a real way, not one person would put their unique names onto it, no one would feel at ease getting their labels on it.


Riese:

Might.


Drew:

I would personally. I would end up being really great along with it current. I’d never ever include another person without their own permission. However the notion of like, anytime some one ended up being like, “make sure you may be attached to myself,” I would end up like, “Yeah, it is the life i have lived. I do not worry about.” Would be that weird? Usually difficulty?


Christina:

No, since if I happened to ben’t, i might feel terrible not … I would personally resemble, “hold off, I am not about it? Like, I’m sorry, just what?” No, that would in fact send me into a light moral panic about just who I am as a person, everything I’m undertaking. Are we interesting? Do people {like

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